PostChat #12 Transcripts: How To Find & Maintain The Tone Of A Scene
This week we talked about how to find and maintain the tone of a scene in everything from documentaries to web series pilots. We also discussed keyboard shortcuts for Final Cut Pro, Avid Media Composer and any NLE that people wanted to share.
This week we had roughly 475 tweets from 47 active tweeters.
Moderators: @dr0id, @tejbabra, @TyLeisher, @artguillotine
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Dr0id Welcome to Post Chat. Our first topic is ‘Tone’. How to find it and maintain it in a scene and story arch. #PostChat -6:00 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id Here’s how to participate tonight: http://t.co/U0oFWaQ #PostChat -6:00 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id My fav way is here: http://t.co/8mHg4iS #PostChat -6:00 PM Aug 24th, 2011
TejBabra RT @Dr0id: Welcome to Post Chat. Our first topic is Tone. How to find it and maintain it in a scene and story arch. #postchat -6:00 PM Aug 24th, 2011
TyLeisher For anyone not in the know… PC: Print Screen + Paint, Mac: CMD+Shift+4 (Gives you a dragger, drag a box around keyboard) #postchat -6:00 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover hi post peoples! Thanks fr the link again @Dr0id I bookmarked it now. #PostChat -6:00 PM Aug 24th, 2011
khormotion Keyboard, shortcuts, and managing scenes today at #postchat -6:01 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id We have 2 topics for tonight, but 1st I want to ask quickly what the post community thinks of Jobs stepping down? #JobsWellDone #PostChat -6:01 PM Aug 24th, 2011
TyLeisher RT @TejBabra: RT @Dr0id: Welcome to Post Chat. Our first topic is Tone. How to find it and maintain it in a scene and story arch. #postchat -6:01 PM Aug 24th, 2011
TyLeisher Sorry for being so spammy today people. But I’ll be doing another tweetchat! Bare with me www.vimeo.com/25157633 #PostChat -6:28 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Patrick_Aubry The tone, you feel in your goths most like the music or the temp music you place in your edit. #postchat -6:28 PM Aug 24th, 2011
westonWoodbury @jamesnw @Dr0id I am much expecting this. I give it 2-3 gadget generations. Just my personal guess, that’s all. #postchat #proapps #osx -6:28 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Hitecsoftouch @dwolfmeyer @TyLeisher @theriotisover Ethics are a much larger issue in doc or journo, fiction is up for grabs. #PostChat -6:28 PM Aug 24th, 2011
KimHuston @westonWoodbury @theriotisover Not all of them directly relevant for style or tone, though. #PostChat -6:28 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @artgug @TyLeisher this happened on a friends short film recently. He did a pass, then I reordered how those events happened #PostChat -6:29 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz I am working on a documentary about my hometown, Lowell, MA. I plan on using vo, music, color correction to set the tone. #PostChat -6:29 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz (PS: you may know Lowell, MA from The Fighter) #PostChat -6:29 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @artgug @TyLeisher the scene stayed the same, but the tone changed. #PostChat -6:29 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover @Dr0id @artgug What about this philosophy I’ve heard and like and work by: “movie has 3 incarnations. Script, Can, Cut.” (contd) #PostChat -6:29 PM Aug 24th, 2011
joetombarello @Hitecsoftouch @kyl33t @Dr0id To Change “Tone” in a Video Is To Change Gears… Do You Want To Go Up or Down? #Postchat -6:29 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover @Dr0id @artgug Script changes when actors perform it, then editor shapes performance. So it changes at least 3 significant times. #PostChat -6:30 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Hitecsoftouch @kyl33t @FinalCutWhiz Other tone changes tend to be more subliminal unless you are an editor 
#PostChat -6:30 PM Aug 24th, 2011
ericnon Fascinating discussion going on! I’d say you’ve found the right tone when your own emotions are affected working through a scene #postchat -6:30 PM Aug 24th, 2011
howie_c RT @artguillotine: Tone is a constantly fluctuating element, like Jazz you need to improvise sometimes, never lock yourself down. #postchat -6:30 PM Aug 24th, 2011
joetombarello RT @theriotisover: @Dr0id @artgug Script changes when actors perform it, then editor shapes performance. So it changes at least 3 significant times. #PostChat -6:30 PM Aug 24th, 2011
dwolfmeyer @theriotisover to an extent, yes that is true. But a lot of docs make use of reenactment which is handled like narrative ftg #PostChat -6:30 PM Aug 24th, 2011
twainrich @Dr0id : the tone i deal with most is a fast paced one. directors here like to see things move fast and love jump cuts. #PostChat -6:30 PM Aug 24th, 2011
YvetteJJackson @FinalCutWhiz Rethinking For a doc, I’d say the shots. For comedy, timing of cuts and drama, music… #PostChat -6:30 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Salah_Baker Ethics, should be it’s own #PostChat -6:31 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @theriotisover @artgug I see myself as a storyteller, even more than an editor. I do believe that the story is re-told in the cut. #PostChat -6:31 PM Aug 24th, 2011
pietaricreative @FinalCutWhiz is your doco about the history of Lowell or what? #PostChat -6:31 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @YvetteJJackson oh yeah, true. #PostChat -6:31 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @twainrich ah! We see a lot of that up here too: 24, MTV, etc. #PostChat -6:31 PM Aug 24th, 2011
joetombarello @ericnon Exactly. When You Connect Well With The Viewer, You’ve Got The Right Tone. #Postchat -6:31 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @pietaricreative it’s about the history of it, how it’s portrayed as a “bad” city, and what it’s really like. #PostChat -6:31 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Hitecsoftouch @Salah_Baker nods #PostChat -6:32 PM Aug 24th, 2011
pietaricreative @FinalCutWhiz that’s awesome, i’d totally dig that (grew up in Wakefield) #PostChat -6:32 PM Aug 24th, 2011
joetombarello RT @Salah_Baker: To me and edit is like music composition, you have a key and variations on main theme. Move the key to a dark minor, changed #PostChat -6:32 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover @artgug Agree that’s where It Happens, but ask u to consider that since Dir’s been thru all stages, there are attachments #PostChat -6:33 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @pietaricreative oh, very nice I recently made a doc about refugee students in the US (specifically Lowell). #PostChat -6:33 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id RT @RyanFerguson83: @Dr0id Tone should come from the context of the scene not from some decision to *apply* tone like a filter. #postchat -6:33 PM Aug 24th, 2011
KimHuston @theriotisover @westonwoodbury Ooh. that’s interesting. Definitely abstract shiz like that is a good challenge as well! #PostChat -6:33 PM Aug 24th, 2011
dwolfmeyer usually have a script to start on most of my docs (saves time & $) but I read it & get am idea in my head for how I want to cut it #PostChat -6:33 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @RyanFerguson83 great point #postchat -6:33 PM Aug 24th, 2011
artguillotine RT @Salah_Baker To me and edit is like music composition, you have a key and variation on main theme. Move the key to a dark minor #PostChat -6:34 PM Aug 24th, 2011
joetombarello @FinalCutWhiz LOwell? I was born & Raised in Methuen. Good Amount Of Beantown Folk ‘Round Here #PostChat -6:34 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover @artgug There is (at least on the level I’ve worked) very often a need fr editor to offer change coping therapy to attached Dirs #PostChat -6:34 PM Aug 24th, 2011
ChristianGlawe @theriotisover @artgug IYou have to be careful. You are hired to bring fresh perspective, but at same time, it’s not your film. #postchat -6:34 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz Haha yeah, lots o’ people here from MA #PostChat -6:34 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover @joetombarello @FinalCutWhiz I am a Quincy and South Shore girl #PostChat -6:34 PM Aug 24th, 2011
dwolfmeyer Then I scour ftg to fond what was in my head, if that doesn’t work. I come up with something else. Music & rhythm play a big role #PostChat -6:34 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz Oops, that was suppose to be an @reply for @joetombarello #PostChat -6:35 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover @ChristianGlawe @artgug It’s hard fr me to fully explain i this short form but there has been occasional need fr it #PostChat -6:35 PM Aug 24th, 2011
artgug @theriotisover yes, but the director influences or drives the edit, so that’s ok. #postchat -6:35 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @ChristianGlawe @theriotisover @artgug I agree. Re-not your film. You are helping to tell the director’s story. The best way poss #PostChat -6:35 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover @ChristianGlawe @artgug I do mostly indie shorts so things often do NOT go as planned, or there are rewrites mid shoot. #PostChat -6:36 PM Aug 24th, 2011
dwolfmeyer @KimHuston @westonwoodbury @theriotisover I do this for docs as well. Though I watch a mix of narrative & doc to inspire me #PostChat -6:36 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz For me, I am usually the writer, director, and editor. So, if I have an idea of the tone, it usually stays all the way through. #PostChat -6:36 PM Aug 24th, 2011
artgug @Dr0id it’s a discussion for another day, but I meet to many “editors” who are actually just button pushers. that makes me sad #postchat -6:37 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Hitecsoftouch @theriotisover @ChristianGlawe @artgug nods #PostChat -6:37 PM Aug 24th, 2011
westonWoodbury @KimHuston @theriotisover I immediately think of spirals & Pi | #postchat -6:37 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover @Dr0id @ChristianGlawe @artgug ..referring to Dirs who’ve ask specifically fr this or if a scene doesnt work and needs to be cut #PostChat -6:37 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @theriotisover @ChristianGlawe @artgug that’s true of big features as well. Production changes the story. #PostChat -6:37 PM Aug 24th, 2011
dwolfmeyer @artgug @tyleisher that is the ethical dilemma. I’m a j-school grad not a film major. I approach all docs as a journalist #PostChat -6:37 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @FinalCutWhiz it doesn’t change? Or vary? #PostChat -6:37 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover @Hitecsoftouch @ChristianGlawe @artgug It’s not my style to Direct someone’s story; supporting Dir’s vision is my primary goal. #PostChat -6:37 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @Dr0id oh, it has! But it usually sticks all the way through. #PostChat -6:38 PM Aug 24th, 2011
YvetteJJackson RT @Salah_Baker: To me and edit is like music composition, you have a key and variations on main theme. Move the key to a dark minor, changed #PostChat -6:38 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Salah_Baker If you are the one man band indie, you know the tone. BUT just like music someone always has a better ear #PostChat -6:38 PM Aug 24th, 2011
joetombarello @theriotisover @Dr0id @FinalCutWhiz How Much Control You Have Is Often Dictated By Where U Are In The Pipeline. [Pre, Prod, Post] #PostChat -6:38 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @theriotisover @ChristianGlawe @artgug I’ve experienced this on promos and commercials, not so much short film, tv, features. #PostChat -6:38 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover @Dr0id @ChristianGlawe @artgug …Big features have many resources to cope with change, in my experience I am often that resource #PostChat -6:38 PM Aug 24th, 2011
KimHuston @westonWoodbury @theriotisover It’s like a riddle to inspire. #onehandclapping #PostChat -6:38 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @Salah_Baker but do you some times improvise the melody and have solos, etc? #PostChat -6:39 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz Very true! RT @joetombarello: How Much Control You Have Is Often Dictated By Where U Are In The Pipeline. [Pre, Prod, Post] #PostChat -6:39 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover @Dr0id @ChristianGlawe @artgug …I’ve also had the misfortune to be part of some total shitshows 
But there is the mission!! #PostChat -6:39 PM Aug 24th, 2011
TejBabra @Dr0id @Salah_Baker solos with a dark mood? #postchat -6:39 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Hitecsoftouch @joetombarello @theriotisover @Dr0id @FinalCutWhiz or the people you are working with, the best tend to be very open. #PostChat -6:39 PM Aug 24th, 2011
westonWoodbury @dwolfmeyer music & rhythm huge here. Ive also discussed w/ other editors, that musicians tend to make excellent editors (usually) #postchat -6:40 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @theriotisover @ChristianGlawe @artgug then you are a valuable part of that team. #PostChat -6:40 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @Hitecsoftouch @joetombarello @theriotisover @Dr0id haha I am not the best director and not very open 
#PostChat -6:40 PM Aug 24th, 2011
artgug @ChristianGlawe a director/producer/editor relationship can be a partnership, depending on the project. #PostChat -6:40 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover @Hitecsoftouch @joetombarello @Dr0id @FinalCutWhiz …I’ve also been on great productions where the Dir just has that collab style #PostChat -6:40 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Salah_Baker @droid I always cut with my gut first, head second, and money third #PostChat -6:40 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @Hitecsoftouch @joetombarello @theriotisover @FinalCutWhiz agreed. best let you retell in the cut-then put ur heads together. #PostChat -6:41 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Hitecsoftouch @FinalCutWhiz @Hitecsoftouch @joetombarello @theriotisover @Dr0id so you don’t listen to yourself? #PostChat -6:41 PM Aug 24th, 2011
joetombarello If I’m In An Editor Role & You Have Good Direction, You Don’t Have To Find The “Tone” Of The Piece. #Postchat -6:41 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @Salah_Baker well said. I try to do the same. #PostChat -6:41 PM Aug 24th, 2011
twainrich hard to keep up as i’m working…#PostChat -6:41 PM Aug 24th, 2011
artguillotine RT @joetombarello: If Im In An Editor Role & You Have Good Direction, You Dont Have To Find The “Tone” Of The Piece. #PostChat -6:41 PM Aug 24th, 2011
YvetteJJackson RT @westonWoodbury: @dwolfmeyer music & rhythm huge here. Ive also discussed w/ other editors, that musicians tend to make excellent editors (usually) #postchat -6:41 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @Hitecsoftouch @joetombarello @theriotisover @Dr0id no, I listen to myself, just not to other people’s ideas that often. #PostChat -6:41 PM Aug 24th, 2011
ChristianGlawe @artgug Absolutely a partnership (btwn dir/prod/editor)! Almost a necessity, really #postchat -6:42 PM Aug 24th, 2011
kyl33t @joetombarello often, the one finds YOU #PostChat -6:42 PM Aug 24th, 2011
artgug @dwolfmeyer the fact that your editing at all is actually altering the original material. Your choosing tone to show the audience #PostChat -6:42 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover THIS. RT @joetombarello: If Im In An Editor Role & You Have Good Direction, You Dont Have To Find The “Tone” Of The Piece. #PostChat -6:42 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Hitecsoftouch So keyboards??? #PostChat -6:42 PM Aug 24th, 2011
BRoten @westonWoodbury @dwolfmeyer I like to see instruments on resumes as hobbies. I took piano as an adult. Rhythm makes you better #postchat -6:42 PM Aug 24th, 2011
adoxography_ @Dr0id @Hitecsoftouch @joetombarello @theriotisover @FinalCutWhiz Then help reshape and tell their story #postchat -6:42 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id RT @artgug: @dwolfmeyer fact that ur editing at all is actually altering the original material. ur choosing tone to show audience #PostChat -6:43 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover Me too. Sooth. RT @adoxography_ @theriotisover @Dr0id @FinalCutWhiz Quite often have panicked TV dir’s in suite. I soothe panic. #PostChat -6:43 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Salah_Baker Remember 5 people in a group always come up with a better solution. #PostChat -6:43 PM Aug 24th, 2011
westonWoodbury @dwolfmeyer @artgug @tyleisher what do u think about other editors you know from #journalism? Most I know… don’t quite get it. #postchat -6:43 PM Aug 24th, 2011
TejBabra @Hitecsoftouch mine are all mapped to be similar so transferable to Avid or FCP or Preimer #postchat -6:43 PM Aug 24th, 2011
ChristianGlawe @theriotisover @joetombarello Hmmm… Think I disagree. Even in best directed project, a good editor always finds something xtra. #postchat -6:43 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @ChristianGlawe @artgug agreed. There can be a lot freedom in being in a partnership with the director. #PostChat -6:43 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @westonWoodbury @dwolfmeyer @artgug @tyleisher oh God, don’t talk about journalism. They just through any crappy video together. #PostChat -6:44 PM Aug 24th, 2011
adoxography_ Avid keyboard, layout based on Avid DV Express original keyboard. Can’t live without ‘extend’ [P] #postchat http://t.co/WqqXMI6 -6:44 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover @FinalCutWhiz I always listen, consider them, sometimes alter my plan based on that input. @Hitecsoftouch @joetombarello @Dr0id #PostChat -6:44 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @westonWoodbury @dwolfmeyer @artgug @tyleisher it’s usually never put well together. #PostChat -6:44 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @theriotisover @Hitecsoftouch @joetombarello @Dr0id oh I usually like to listen. Just sometimes it can be too hectic. #PostChat -6:45 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id Ok 15 min left. Lets move quickly to topic 2- Keyboard Layout. Share ur mapped keyboards and fav mapped shortcuts. #PostChat -6:45 PM Aug 24th, 2011
adoxography_ @Dr0id @ChristianGlawe @artgug Once a director trusts the editor there should be a lot of ‘freedom’. #postchat -6:45 PM Aug 24th, 2011
joetombarello Good Example Of Changing Tone Is When U See A “Recut” Of A Film You’ve Seen A Few Times.It Feels Different Cuz The tone’s Change. #Postchat -6:45 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @Dr0id what?!?! Where did the time go?! Aww #PostChat -6:45 PM Aug 24th, 2011
ericnon @joetombarello i’m not sure. sometimes good direction is accepting new ideas – including tone, when that is helpful #postchat -6:45 PM Aug 24th, 2011
westonWoodbury @artgug @dwolfmeyer hmm but they compliment each other, you are also altering the video even more so, IMO. #postchat #postchat -6:46 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Brennan_Wright RT @westonWoodbury: @dwolfmeyer music & rhythm huge here. Ive also discussed w/ other editors, that musicians tend to make excellent editors (usually) #postchat -6:46 PM Aug 24th, 2011
joetombarello Truth. RT @ericnon: i’m not sure. sometimes good direction is accepting new ideas – including tone, when that is helpful #postchat -6:46 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @Brennan_Wright @westonWoodbury @dwolfmeyer I agree, music is a huge part of tone. #PostChat -6:46 PM Aug 24th, 2011
TyLeisher RT @ericnon: im not sure. sometimes good direction is accepting new ideas – including tone, when that is helpful #postchat -6:47 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Hitecsoftouch @adoxography_ extend was a product of the original Mac Newscutters. #PostChat -6:47 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover I’m currently AE fr multicam show in FCP. Faves I’ve mapped are CineTools ALE imports; Export to Compressor; Zoom to Playhead. #PostChat -6:47 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover RT @Dr0id: Ok 15 min left. Lets move quickly to topic 2- Keyboard Layout. Share ur mapped keyboards and fav mapped shortcuts. #PostChat -6:47 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Hitecsoftouch http://t.co/gooVyCK Ben’s collection #PostChat -6:47 PM Aug 24th, 2011
westonWoodbury @artgug @dwolfmeyer okay, nm that probably doesn’t make sense. I think I am mixing tweets trying to keep up. =) #postchat #postchat -6:47 PM Aug 24th, 2011
adoxography_ @Hitecsoftouch That’s where I learned the function. Still use it heaps. #postchat -6:47 PM Aug 24th, 2011
TejBabra @theriotisover that sounds crazy…well to me. #postchat -6:48 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id Day job is on #FCP 7. Here’s my keyboard. #postchat http://t.co/sO7YoIS -6:48 PM Aug 24th, 2011
TyLeisher RT @Dr0id: Ok 15 min left. Lets move quickly to topic 2- Keyboard Layout. Share ur mapped keyboards and fav mapped shortcuts. #postchat -6:48 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Salah_Baker Still working on my shortcuts #Postchat http://t.co/3nJv8fC -6:48 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover @ChristianGlawe Oh, I took it to mean that well directed actors set the tone in perf. of COURSE we always add value to scene! #PostChat -6:48 PM Aug 24th, 2011
joetombarello @ChristianGlawe I Agree, But A Great Editor *Adds* To A Project Or *Saves* A Project Depending On The Producer/Director’s Insights #PostChat -6:48 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz I’ve got no keyboard shortcut to share. I leave all mine at the default. #PostChat -6:48 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id My CMD keyboard #postchat http://t.co/OkmHQnf -6:48 PM Aug 24th, 2011
kyl33t I like this keyboard thing. It’s like looking in an editor’s underwear drawer or something. #PostChat -6:48 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover @TejBabra Crazy in what way? #PostChat -6:49 PM Aug 24th, 2011
artgug gonna throw this out there….I think you should learn the program with the default keyboard settings #postchat -6:49 PM Aug 24th, 2011
joetombarello RT @kyl33t: I like this keyboard thing. It’s like looking in an editor’s underwear drawer or something. #PostChat -6:49 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @kyl33t hahahaha that’s….. a very interesting way of putting it. #PostChat -6:49 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Hitecsoftouch Default Mac http://t.co/B1hFlPy #PostChat -6:49 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover Always has bugged me that FCP maps Apple + to zoom on SELECTION in timeline. WTF, useless. I’ve remapped to zoom to playhead. #PostChat -6:49 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id One of my fav mapped short cuts is that I mapped the ’1′ key to be the ->-> arrow tool and the ’2′ key to be normal ->. So helpful #PostChat -6:50 PM Aug 24th, 2011
westonWoodbury @joetombarello @ChristianGlawe haha, well put. “A Great Editor *Adds* To A Project Or *Saves* A Project Depending” #postchat #postchat -6:50 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Brennan_Wright Mainly defaults (premeire pro) for me. Nothing special here! #postchat -6:50 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id RT @kyl33t: I like this keyboard thing. Its like looking in an editors underwear drawer or something. #PostChat -6:50 PM Aug 24th, 2011
adoxography_ @artgug Yep, but when you started many moons ago on a different version the default layouts change. #avidMC #postchat -6:50 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Hitecsoftouch http://t.co/KSijnm7 #PostChat -6:50 PM Aug 24th, 2011
westonWoodbury @kyl33t haha! =) #postchat -6:50 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover @artgug But I started on AVID, and the beauty of mappable keys is you don’t let tools interrupt yr creativity.. & now FCP is dead! #PostChat -6:50 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id Also, I mapped zoom in and zoom out to ‘zoom in on playhead’. The zoom on selection is awful. #PostChat -6:51 PM Aug 24th, 2011
westonWoodbury @Salah_Baker wait… how did you get that? what is that? #premierepro #postchat -6:51 PM Aug 24th, 2011
ChristianGlawe Admittedly, my keys are weird, but built for speed – http://t.co/49DrgyU #postchat -6:51 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @Hitecsoftouch add edit is ‘H’, huh? Interesting. #PostChat -6:51 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @Dr0id in FCP? How do you change that?!?! #PostChat -6:51 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Hitecsoftouch Job’s http://t.co/M8Y5mIc #PostChat -6:51 PM Aug 24th, 2011
bethanysimpson @artgug yes, but with tweaks for speed & project types. #postchat -6:51 PM Aug 24th, 2011
kyl33t @Dr0id @theriotisover i need to change that. it’s one of those things that bothers me daily and i forget about in 1 millisecond #PostChat -6:52 PM Aug 24th, 2011
ChristianGlawe @artgug (sorry, but…) I disagree. Bend the software to your will, I say! #postchat -6:52 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id Also, you’ll notice that my FCP keyboard is mapped for #AVID. I also have an AVID colored keyboard. #PostChat -6:52 PM Aug 24th, 2011
adoxography_ @Dr0id @Hitecsoftouch That’s the old skool! I have it mapped there too. In fact, quite a few similarities #postchat -6:52 PM Aug 24th, 2011
westonWoodbury @artgug do you add anything on top of defaults? problem is it can literally save you huge amounts of time. #postchat -6:52 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover heehee true RT @kyl33t: I like this keyboard thing. Its like looking in an editors underwear drawer or something. #PostChat -6:52 PM Aug 24th, 2011
joetombarello You Show Your Command Palette And I’ll Show You Mine #Postchat #Avid -6:52 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Hitecsoftouch Job’s shift http://t.co/0hlqgDs #PostChat -6:52 PM Aug 24th, 2011
TejBabra @Dr0id now that is strange. I keep mine on a USB stick so I can take it anywhere I edit #postchat -6:52 PM Aug 24th, 2011
twainrich I have the Bella Keyboard for FCP. I do map certain keys to my G13 and Wacom Tablet. #PostChat -6:53 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @FinalCutWhiz under tools/keyboard. There is a search at top of buttons Search for playhead. #PostChat -6:53 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Hitecsoftouch http://t.co/EJqjT8b #PostChat -6:53 PM Aug 24th, 2011
editblog I’m missing #postchat but wanted to point out the Keyboard Manifesto: http://t.co/S6nzn9n love the keyboard discussion #remap #postchat -6:53 PM Aug 24th, 2011
TyLeisher That’s what I do. RT @TejBabra: @Dr0id now that is strange. I keep mine on a USB stick so I can take it anywhere I edit #postchat -6:53 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Hitecsoftouch http://t.co/SAJc62j #PostChat -6:53 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @Dr0id oh my God, thank you!! I really hate that in FCP! #PostChat -6:53 PM Aug 24th, 2011
kyl33t i forgot to screenshot my keyboard, but it’s a lot of FCP defaults with a sprinkle of avid. use your imagination. #PostChat -6:53 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id RT @editblog: Im missing #postchat but wanted to point out the Keyboard Manifesto: http://t.co/pYPlOJK #remap #PostChat -6:53 PM Aug 24th, 2011
videoguys RT @editblog: I’m missing #postchat but wanted to point out the Keyboard Manifesto: http://t.co/S6nzn9n love the keyboard discussion #remap #postchat -6:53 PM Aug 24th, 2011
westonWoodbury @Dr0id @Hitecsoftouch i use “h” across the board–FCP PPRO AVID. (add edit) #postchat -6:53 PM Aug 24th, 2011
ChristianGlawe My keys are weird, but built for speed – http://t.co/DahKwQR – #postchat -6:54 PM Aug 24th, 2011
KimHuston RT @joetombarello: You Show Your Command Palette And I’ll Show You Mine #Postchat #Avid -6:54 PM Aug 24th, 2011
KimHuston @Dr0id yeah, I mapped more detail and less detail to my Page Up and Page down buttons. #PostChat Script Marker is F5 #notexciting -6:54 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id Also, I need A and S to be jump to next edit, back and forth. A must. #PostChat -6:54 PM Aug 24th, 2011
howardberry @Dr0id With the arrival of “Share” in FCP7 I mapped “Export with QuickTime conversion” to Cmd-Shift-R. #PostChat -6:54 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Hitecsoftouch http://t.co/Vm0EZ5Z #PostChat -6:55 PM Aug 24th, 2011
adoxography_ In about an hour’s time there will be 2 scheduled #postchat tweets from me. Sorry….got the time wrong and can’t undo the scheduling o_O -6:55 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @ChristianGlawe yes! You’re an arrow guy too. #PostChat -6:55 PM Aug 24th, 2011
TejBabra now this is a keyboard. http://t.co/8j5qwrF #postchat -6:55 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id nice RT @howardberry: @Dr0id With the arrival of “Share” in FCP7 I mapped “Export with QuickTime conversion” to Cmd-Shift-R. #PostChat -6:55 PM Aug 24th, 2011
westonWoodbury @Dr0id I also map #FCP and #PPRO as closely as I can to my #avid keyboard. #whatimusedto #postchat -6:55 PM Aug 24th, 2011
artgug minor keyboard adjustments, yes. But Avid just doesn’t work as well when mapped as a FCP keyboard. #postchat -6:55 PM Aug 24th, 2011
joetombarello RT @TejBabra: now this is a keyboard. http://t.co/knQ2nHC #postchat -6:55 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id Also, Shift M is match frame for me in both #AVID and #FCP #PostChat -6:55 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @artgug but FCP works well mapped as #AVID. Love me some AVID shortcuts. #PostChat -6:56 PM Aug 24th, 2011
westonWoodbury @Salah_Baker I need to check that out! thx! #postchat -6:56 PM Aug 24th, 2011
chrisgruggen @TejBabra Probably still works like a charm #postchat -6:56 PM Aug 24th, 2011
TheMovieBuds @toddzelin #PostChat Absolutely. The edits themselves can also change the tone. -6:56 PM Aug 24th, 2011
howardberry @Dr0id And also Two-Up view mapped to Cmd-Ctrl-U. #PostChat -6:56 PM Aug 24th, 2011
ChristianGlawe @Dr0id (slightly unrelated) Guy I know who’s dialogue editor has trackball on *either* side of keyboard! Sickest thing I ever saw! #postchat -6:56 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id oh no! Mine is cleeeeean RT @TejBabra: now this is a keyboard. http://t.co/ojkYYzR #PostChat -6:56 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover Oh dear, the HORROR RT @TejBabra: now this is a keyboard. http://t.co/iXsvy3F #PostChat -6:56 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @ChristianGlawe whoa. Wish I could see that. #PostChat -6:57 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Hitecsoftouch So here is the problem, kb is just the surface. How are your workspaces and settings affecting the way you play your Avid? #PostChat -6:57 PM Aug 24th, 2011
TejBabra @Dr0id can you imagine walking into that. #postchat -6:57 PM Aug 24th, 2011
adoxography_ Dayam! RT @TejBabra: now this is a keyboard. http://t.co/iduJOwi #PostChat -6:57 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover I also use the Window Layouts and those are mapped to key combos. Easy reconfig fr different tasks: load, loops, QC, etc #PostChat -6:57 PM Aug 24th, 2011
artgug @Dr0id things like shift-m is cool, but when you change the fundamental way a program is designed, it can cause issues. #postchat -6:57 PM Aug 24th, 2011
couryc RT @joetombarello: RT @TejBabra: now this is a keyboard. http://t.co/knQ2nHC #postchat -6:57 PM Aug 24th, 2011
westonWoodbury @TejBabra haha.. fantastic. I use a similar old school kind, actually, I love the quality. They never die! (pic coming) #postchat -6:58 PM Aug 24th, 2011
TyLeisher @adoxography_ @TejBabra Wow, no thanks. That’s pretty awful. #postchat -6:58 PM Aug 24th, 2011
NickWeeks RT @TejBabra: now this is a keyboard. http://t.co/8j5qwrF #postchat -6:58 PM Aug 24th, 2011
jamesnw Does anyone use any cool controllers for keyboard shortcuts? Like a footpedal to stop and start? http://t.co/xsBEstG #PostChat -6:58 PM Aug 24th, 2011
ChristianGlawe My god, man! – RT @theriotisover: Oh dear, the HORROR RT @TejBabra: now this is a keyboard. http://t.co/mmV5lG5 #PostChat -6:58 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz RT @couryc: RT @joetombarello: RT @TejBabra: now this is a keyboard. http://t.co/QLLs6Pg #PostChat -6:58 PM Aug 24th, 2011
adoxography_ @Hitecsoftouch They’re very important. I need a tidy layout and will always link toolsets to named setting and save setting on USB #postchat -6:58 PM Aug 24th, 2011
DCReels RT @artgug: gonna throw this out there….I think you should learn the program with the default keyboard settings #postchat -6:58 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id I can’t switch easily between keyboard settings. I’m #AVID all the way. I don’t want to have to look at my hands. EVER. #PostChat -6:58 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Salah_Baker My workspace is a mess, we won’t talk about it. I have to change to fast #PostChat -6:58 PM Aug 24th, 2011
artgug @Dr0id FCP is more conducive to keyboard mappings, I’ll agree #postchat -6:58 PM Aug 24th, 2011
dwolfmeyer @westonWoodbury @artgug I don’t know other people w/ J backgrounds editing. Most went to film or tech school, or no education #PostChat -6:58 PM Aug 24th, 2011
KimHuston @ChristianGlawe @dr0id Ooh. Drive the Avid like a tank! Nice. #PostChat -6:59 PM Aug 24th, 2011
DCReels @artgug Agreed, only shortcut that is a must for me is Shift-Z (fit timeline in window) #postchat -6:59 PM Aug 24th, 2011
harveyhead In PS – if a producer is giving unnecessary kerning on type. Apple+Z and then Apple+Z again. Repeat “Yeah, that looks better.” #PostChat 
-6:59 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover @Hitecsoftouch first FCP workspace was not as customizable as Avid was and that was annoying. In either I’ve customized fr my pref #PostChat -6:59 PM Aug 24th, 2011
dwolfmeyer @westonWoodbury @artgug @tyleisher editors I worked with in news are either still doing that or they are out of media altogether #PostChat -6:59 PM Aug 24th, 2011
westonWoodbury Old school keyboards are simply the best. Made to last #postchat http://t.co/i7Mfzcz -7:00 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @artgug my cahnges to the #AVID keyboard are minor. Like Fast forward key, match frame, find in bin, group, etc. #PostChat -7:00 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover @Hitecsoftouch Once FCP allowed customization I made it like my Avid settings. I rely on muscle memory fr speed. #PostChat -7:00 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Hitecsoftouch @Dr0id @Hitecsoftouch think of the H as lying down a strip of film easy to remember that way. #PostChat -7:00 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @DCReels @artgug do you find that you use the tool bars, mouse more than keyboard? #PostChat -7:01 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover RT @Dr0id: I cant switch easily between keyboard settings. Im #AVID all the way. I dont want to have to look at my hands. EVER. #PostChat -7:01 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @theriotisover @Hitecsoftouch ditto #PostChat -7:01 PM Aug 24th, 2011
joetombarello I think Some change Their shortcuts due 2 the Cutter They started on. [ex: Avid People Will Change any Cutter to Avid settings] #Postchat -7:01 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @Hitecsoftouch I love that. #PostChat -7:01 PM Aug 24th, 2011
dwolfmeyer @artgug why? One of the first things I learned in an Avid class was how to remap the KB #PostChat -7:01 PM Aug 24th, 2011
TejBabra Well thats all for tonight. Thank you all for joining us for Post Chat. #postchat -7:01 PM Aug 24th, 2011
ChristianGlawe For me, record will *always* be ‘r’ – holdover from Discreet *edit. #postchat -7:01 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Hitecsoftouch @adoxography_ Me too but greg staten teases me about it. #PostChat -7:02 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Salah_Baker Good chat #PostChat -7:02 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id RT @TejBabra: Well thats all for tonight. Thank you all for joining us for Post Chat. #PostChat -7:02 PM Aug 24th, 2011
harveyhead After tonight, I’m mapping Shift+Control+T as the “Fix Tone” button. #PostChat -7:02 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz Not a fan of old school keyboards. I love my Apple wireless keyboard. #PostChat -7:02 PM Aug 24th, 2011
westonWoodbury @dwolfmeyer @westonWoodbury @artgug @tyleisher I’m not sure that the majority of them ‘could’ do anything else. yes #harsh #postchat -7:02 PM Aug 24th, 2011
DCReels @Dr0id @artgug On FCP mostly KB, w/Avid, since I’m a noob, too much mousing but that will change #postchat -7:02 PM Aug 24th, 2011
dwolfmeyer Colored KBs are pointless, especially if you remap #PostChat -7:02 PM Aug 24th, 2011
adoxography_ Freaked out director once when he used “I” for mark-in on keyboard. I have mapped “Step-in” to it. He thought he deleted the cut. #postchat -7:02 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id Transcripts will be up shortly. Thanks for chatting! Go make something awesome. #JobWellDone #PostChat -7:02 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @Dr0id @TejBabra yes, definitely a very nice chat #PostChat -7:03 PM Aug 24th, 2011
enricobenjamin Agreed @artgug: gonna throw this out there….I think you should learn the program with the default keyboard settings #postchat -7:03 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id @theriotisover thanks, as always. #PostChat -7:03 PM Aug 24th, 2011
har0ldm @Dr0id My current keyboard set on @MediaComposer http://t.co/F7HThMr and with Shift http://t.co/d0aYNbP #PostChat -7:03 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz That’s how I use it @artgug: gonna throw this out there….I think you should learn the program with the default keyboard settings #PostChat -7:03 PM Aug 24th, 2011
dwolfmeyer @artgug @christianglawe I see no point in multiple copies of commands on the default MC KB #PostChat -7:03 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id Transcripts will be up shortly. Thanks for chatting! Go make something awesome. #JobsWellDone #PostChat #PostChat -7:03 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover What about yr second and third programs? RT @enricobenjamin: Agreed @artgug: -learn the program with the default keyboard settings #PostChat -7:04 PM Aug 24th, 2011
jasonkonoza Thanks for the keyboard mapping tips! ^5 #PostChat -7:04 PM Aug 24th, 2011
c0ina Am I too late to the party? My Avid KB settings, top level and shift level… http://t.co/YQzE6Us #PostChat -7:04 PM Aug 24th, 2011
djbtv RT @adoxography_: @Hitecsoftouch They’re very important. I need a tidy layout and will always link toolsets to named setting and save setting on USB #postchat -7:04 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @Dr0id haha I was wondering why you didn’t put an s at the end of Job #PostChat -7:04 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Hitecsoftouch @artgug I leave the defaults so I can train, add to blank keys. Markers to F1 to 8 eg. for takes. most go on shift. #PostChat -7:04 PM Aug 24th, 2011
har0ldm RT @Dr0id: I can’t switch easily between keyboard settings. I’m #AVID all the way. I don’t want to have to look at my hands. EVER. #PostChat -7:04 PM Aug 24th, 2011
westonWoodbury @dwolfmeyer that’s been my thought process on not wasting the clams to get one. Don’t need the visual aid anyway #postchat #postchat -7:04 PM Aug 24th, 2011
KimHuston @harveyhead Brilliant! #fixitwiththekeyboard #PostChat -7:04 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover lol RT @harveyhead: After tonight, Im mapping Shift+Control+T as the “Fix Tone” button. #PostChat -7:05 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @c0ina nope, just because it’s past the hour, doesn’t mean we have to stop #PostChat -7:05 PM Aug 24th, 2011
dwolfmeyer My goal is to do away with the KB completely. There has to be a better device for editing. Think Lightworks Console #PostChat -7:05 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Dr0id Keep the chat going and we’ll transcribe it out past the normal time slot, tonight. I want to catch all the keyboards. #PostChat -7:05 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover You are welcome, as always. Good night!! RT @Dr0id: @theriotisover thanks, as always. #PostChat -7:05 PM Aug 24th, 2011
westonWoodbury @Dr0id I’d like to see a collection of the posted keyboards, by softwares. Any possibility of so? #postchat #postchat -7:06 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Hitecsoftouch @TejBabra @Dr0id On my USB I keep kb and settings for each major Avid Rel. #PostChat -7:06 PM Aug 24th, 2011
dwolfmeyer @artgug why would anyone in their right mind do that? go the other way! #PostChat -7:06 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover @westonWoodbury @Dr0id If I may… You could compile from the chat logs tomorrow and we’d love you for it!! #PostChat -7:07 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz Had a very fun #PostChat! Thank you @Dr0id, @joetombarello @theriotisover @kyl33t @TejBabra! -7:07 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Hitecsoftouch @Dr0id @Hitecsoftouch ON Avid I also refer to Ctl/Cmd D as the dub keys. #PostChat -7:07 PM Aug 24th, 2011
c0ina @FinalCutWhiz Great It’s only 2pm here so I can only ever keep half an eye on #postchat while I’m working! #PostChat -7:07 PM Aug 24th, 2011
dwolfmeyer @artgug @dr0id Avid was designed for you to remap for your own needs. How does that cause issues? #PostChat -7:07 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @c0ina oh, nice. Working on anything good? #PostChat -7:08 PM Aug 24th, 2011
joetombarello @theriotisover Yes 140 Characters Is 2 Small All Beantown People Please DM me. I’d like to know where y’all are in the future #Postchat -7:08 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover @c0ina Oof timezones are pesky. Thanks fr coming! And the tag is open all week so feel free to #PostChat whenever!! -7:08 PM Aug 24th, 2011
DCReels @dwolfmeyer Agreed, used to do beta-to-beta back in the day & the big red button was so satisfying. #postchat -7:09 PM Aug 24th, 2011
Hitecsoftouch Alright, I have to run. If I missed responding to anyone I will sort it out later. Thank you all for putting up with me. #PostChat -7:09 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover @Hitecsoftouch Always a pleasure! Thanks fr putting up with me too. Good night! #PostChat -7:09 PM Aug 24th, 2011
dwolfmeyer @westonWoodbury that’s kind of my implication #PostChat -7:10 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover @dwolfmeyer @artgug @dr0id When I switched to FCP and couldnt customize, I was sad. Got used to it but remapped kb when able. #PostChat -7:11 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @theriotisover @Hitecsoftouch it was fun thanks for putting up with my childish behavior. #PostChat -7:11 PM Aug 24th, 2011
c0ina @FinalCutWhiz Lots! Very, very busy down here! #PostChat -7:12 PM Aug 24th, 2011
dwolfmeyer @artgug I don’t map one app to work like another I map an app to work for me, thus I wouldn’t map Avid & FCP the same way #PostChat -7:12 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @joetombarello @theriotisover haha I was going to write “GO RED SOX” during the #PostChat to piss @Dr0id and other NYers off. -7:13 PM Aug 24th, 2011
dwolfmeyer @Dr0id I’m on my phone and unable to share, but I’ve put mine up in the past. #PostChat -7:13 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover @FinalCutWhiz Have a wicked good night duder!! I’m off. #PostChat -7:13 PM Aug 24th, 2011
c0ina @theriotisover Cheers! I’ll try and be more active in the future 
#PostChat -7:13 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @theriotisover haha I will… And you have a killah evenin’ #PostChat -7:13 PM Aug 24th, 2011
theriotisover Good night, #PostChat I shall see you next Weds.. til then, keep rocking the tag #PostChat -7:14 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @c0ina that could be a good thing, right? #PostChat -7:14 PM Aug 24th, 2011
dwolfmeyer @artgug j-k-l i-o space bar. What more do you need? #PostChat -7:14 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz Very true!!! RT @dwolfmeyer: @artgug j-k-l i-o space bar. What more do you need? #PostChat -7:15 PM Aug 24th, 2011
c0ina @FinalCutWhiz Yes and no – balance is good #postchat -7:15 PM Aug 24th, 2011
dwolfmeyer @artgug I remap MC like mad on the left side, FCP I don’t change much. #PostChat -7:15 PM Aug 24th, 2011
westonWoodbury @theriotisover @Dr0id I am up for the task. Any opinions on where I should post it? #postchat -7:15 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @c0ina yep, true true. What are you doing? Editing? #PostChat -7:17 PM Aug 24th, 2011
dwolfmeyer @BRoten @westonwoodbury I like to find a rhythm to the cut in the way people speak and act #PostChat -7:18 PM Aug 24th, 2011
c0ina @FinalCutWhiz Long form online editor here http://t.co/DYbpwXw plus producing/directing indie stuff http://t.co/c4h2VyQ #PostChat -7:19 PM Aug 24th, 2011
dwolfmeyer @FinalCutWhiz @westonwoodbury @artgug not journalism in the sense of local news. I take a journalistic approach to doc editing #PostChat -7:20 PM Aug 24th, 2011
FinalCutWhiz @c0ina well I look forward to getting updates about it #followed #PostChat -7:20 PM Aug 24th, 2011
lanamafilms RT @joetombarello: As a producer I know the tone of my piece. but as an editor sometimes w/out direction its hard 2 determine the “desired” tone #Postchat -7:39 PM Aug 24th, 2011
dwolfmeyer @editblog @artgug for you, yes. I don’t find that to be the case for me. KB raps are unique to every editor. #PostChat -7:39 PM Aug 24th, 2011
